Have a look at scrapbook II for the first one. I think it is kikusaseki.regardsKik
It came from a batch of 'Kikushogiyoku' seed not raised by me but which produced a wide variation. I will investigate further. Thank you.
This is the general experience with some of my friend as well. This 3 names are probably based on the same genepool. and have to be stabilised before you can really cal them a cultivar. They are nice though.
So 'Kikushogiyoku' seed can produce 'Kikusaseki' plants as it is not stable? But they are nice.